we've reached deals with a number of our union, the largest union, the teamsters, and they actually supported the deal that we offered, and they have been crossing the picket lines and trying to support the business, but the bakers union i think, the leadership of that union made a decision that they are willing to sacrifice these jobs because they don't really want to have these kind of concessions from other companies. >> we're talking about the loss of 18,500 if the company goes out of business. i have a statement from the bakers union. despite greg rayburn's insulting and disingenuous statements of the last month the truth is hostess workers and the union have absolutely no responsibility for the failure of this company. that responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of the company's decision-makers. >> i've been pretty straightforward in all the town hall meetings i've done at our plants to say in this situation i think there's blame that goes around for everyone. >> is this really the end of the road for hostess or can i be blunt? is this some kind of negotiating tactic to get the